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Post by RedGyarados on Feb 12, 2017 22:29:32 GMT
Mewtwo is like Gyarados and Mew is like Magikarp lol.
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Post by DarthSpearow on Feb 15, 2017 2:53:31 GMT
Legendary Pokémon is like overrated Magikarp.
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Post by DarkRattata on Feb 18, 2017 1:18:01 GMT
Arcticuno isn't.
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Post by DarthSpearow on Feb 20, 2017 15:02:40 GMT
Lol there are better Icetypes. Its not terrible but it can be overrated.
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Post by Meowth! on Feb 24, 2017 21:23:00 GMT
Lol!
I was going to ask what about Mew? But then I thought I typed what about ME?
That is eerie, youre right.
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Post by v)Luminesce(v on Feb 26, 2017 21:39:41 GMT
Heh, props. Anyone else?
To return to the song, as mentioned it starts its lyrics with the quite slightly disturbing, 'The light is dead in your eyes.' This then sets up the 'shade of your eyes' section later. The instrumental section also involves several 'basic' sounds, and you can notice that the 'light is dead' line matches up with this well. Listeners are hence given space to map these sounds into the location. They aren't overly 'polished,' which eases this association with other sounds. It opens with a few clicks and a droning sound, which easily starts to absorb nearby noise and ambience. However, by then extending this section, the song can 'distort' these into a separate location where the song occurs. Hence, just as Lavender is a 'town,' this song also constructs a sort of enclosed area of its own.
The guitar parts arise in this background and aren't that pronounced at first - they rather play an almost ambient role accompanying the rest. Hence, the rest of the guitar in the song should be seen in this 'light' - if you like. The 'tribal' aspect which was mentioned might relate to how the beat serves to guide the earlier guitar parts and the guitar is hence integrated into that pattern. This needn't be that 'tribal' - it could just as well occur with grasshoppers and cars in a city.
The later section where the guitars start to take on a more conventional 'rock' sound could also mislead. They are set on their way there with a similar drum pattern to that repeated incessantly earlier in the song. Hence, this is merely a recurrence of the pattern with further embellishment, rather than something which diverges from that. For the listener, this section might seem eerie, given that they have already come to associate that drum beat with a certain context. It's like the rock section is just superimposed on the earlier sounds.
After this section, the vocals set in. We've already commented on that a bit. However, they mirror the early guitar 'chugging' which occurs in tandem with the clicking drum-beat. In that sense, they also work their way into this context. If you removed the instruments at that point, the vocal lines would still at least seem to fit into the song. Hence, the vocals can if you like 'explain' the prior music. They begin in a highly 'in media res' manner, addressing someone or the other, and assuming an unspecified previous interaction. In the modern day, people would probably be like, 'Wut?' Certainly after the build-up. But that kind of thing easily passed back when music like alt was about an aesthetic rather than just a bunch of re-mixes of songs from 'Frozen.' Nonetheless, this means that the song has a few relevant properties.
When a song, especially after such an intro, is 'in media res' it can come across as something like a 'soundtrack.' A sound-track plays repeatedly over various events and happenings in say a town setting. Likewise, the music plays over a 'pre-existent' event, and hence is different from music which develops its own story, etc. The 'song' does not treat itself as a song, but rather a 'song' which is playing over a cross-section of another event. Hence, the song does have other similarities to the repeating Lavender Town music, which is expected to interact with the happenings of that town. It is hence also important that, instead of swathing that town in various different things and shiny ornamentation, it has a unified atmosphere and can lay back and let the music interact with the events in it.
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Post by Meowth! on Feb 28, 2017 19:35:56 GMT
Thanks for taking th time to discuss the song I mentioned!
That is intresting, I'll give it some listens and pay attention to that. Feel free to go on to the rest of the song!
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Post by DiglettReturns on Mar 4, 2017 21:21:19 GMT
Interesting discussion! I guess that infltrating people's locations can be an effective thing. Horror shld do that, or people wont feel endangered by ghosts or whateer. Kind of like the idea of 'basic' sound earlier on and then chnging it.
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Post by Crabhammer on Mar 9, 2017 21:00:19 GMT
This thread is one of my favs
The Lake of Rage has a large maze above it, but that just leads to items and stuff. Is there anything else there?
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Post by Meowth! on Mar 9, 2017 21:47:57 GMT
Why wld you go up there when you could just catch Gyarados in the lake?
It must be like a Paradise to Team Rocket. OMG who cares about Pikachu amirite?
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Post by v)Luminesce(v on Mar 10, 2017 22:39:18 GMT
The Lake of Rage is a disturbing place on its own, introduced as a lake of 'rage' controlled by a criminal organisation, and containing a red Gyarados in the water - somewhat like blood. From them, you get the 'red scale,' but optimally you survived the encounter.
The 'maze' is interesting, as it somewhat mirrors the navigation that will be needed in Team Rocket's underground hideout to the South. Hence, to the very top of the area and the lower end, you end up with areas that are similar. These are somewhat like the 'veins' of an area. This hence covertly 'traps' the player in an area, with two 'walls' on either side, while they seem to be in a free-roaming segment. Along with the hidden Rocket members, changed radio message and 'red in the water,' you are also introduced to shinies here. It seems interesting that the game opts to introduce shinies officially by identifying them with the mechanations of the 'evil team.' This gives them a slightly more sinister direction, and means that the portrayal of Team Rocket in Goldenrod becomes more cynical.
Of course, the rare Gyarados is not the only rare Water-type in this game - Marill, Mantine, Corsola and so on all become available during this period. Perhaps there could be a link between the strange Water Pokémon and Team Rocket? What these other rare Pokémon share is that they can all look a bit like a blurred shape in the water. Mantine is a ray while Corsola - like the similar Shuckle - is round, but Mantine's 'wings' allow it to look similar to Corsola or Marill. Shuckle is more like a blurred look at something in a rock. Hence, all of these are slightly similar. Nonetheless, the red Gyarados can also be perturbing for another reason - swimming in water infested with the camouflaged Gyarados wouldn't be nearly as safe as it appears, and by the time you reached the 'red Gyarados' you would often be bleeding anyway. In addition, the Team Rocket talk about 'only caring for profits' as villains, might seem like a reflection on accumulating 'shinies.' While shinies aren't condemned, it does seem that they aren't just meant as collectibles but as things to mark important stages of the journey. This segment of the game is slightly 'focussed' for an already long game, with the Burned Tower Pokémon released, shinies announced, new Water-types, rares, etc. It seems that people often view this whole process lightly and skip past it to get on with the 'plot,' but then that's a lot of 'baggage' going forwards. Some of the emotional impact of this might seem to 'rub off' on later things somewhat, instead of occurring directly.
Hence, the Lake of Rage is an important area in some ways, but can also appear quite dangerous. Team Rocket can appear quite dangerous here, what with a lake of aggressive Gyarados. This is spurred on by a strange radio signal, hence suggesting their interference in Goldenrod Radio Tower. However, clearly they still managed to surprise some people with that. Their characterisation is slightly reminiscent of the experimentation that led to Mewtwo, which makes their leaving the 'Berserk Gene' and hiding away more peculiar. Perhaps they have something to do with all of this? The radio signal and so on are strangely similar to 'this is my world now' as Mewtwo celebrates his brother clones in the film. It's also a strange area due to the similarly named 'Ilex Forest,' which can seem eerily reminiscent of the Lake of Rage but is by contrast almost completely empty.
Clearly they felt it was important to include the maze and trainers, etc., in the area.
Incidentally, Farfetch'd is a strange Pokémon in some ways. Its name resembles the 'FF' number which was important in these games - glitch Pokémon would appear over and above the in-game number up to this. 'FF' was generally the cancel sign Pokémon and a limit of sorts to these games. That is indeed fetched from far off.
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Post by Darkencide on Mar 11, 2017 1:20:55 GMT
I never thought someone wwould convince me the Lake of Rage was a scary area.
Thanks for all the info!
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Post by AltariaFairy on Mar 12, 2017 0:30:27 GMT
Lol a bit glitch-related Pikablu sounds like 'peekaboo.' The first games had lots of glitches and also rumored Pokémon! That might have been strange!
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Post by GoldPiplup on Mar 16, 2017 5:38:18 GMT
Yeah, and also Charcoal and w/e. I didn't believe in that, but there are lots of glitch Pokémon so they have a point! I guess that the thing where you have one Pokémon built from all the bird trio is a bit far. But I'm not sure that there are glitch Pikachu!
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Post by Darkencide on Mar 17, 2017 2:35:27 GMT
Wasn't there a Water-type Pikachu or something in Red? Like at a hand-out? Not officially of coursee.
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