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Post by Crabhammer on Jan 20, 2017 18:43:15 GMT
Someone mentioned poaching elsewhere! There's also the thing where youu walk uninvited into someone's house and then they're saying there's a break-in! Kinda troubled me once.
I guess walking into people's houses can be scary though like in Pathologic! Pokémon series is usually a bit too friendly though...
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Post by v)Luminesce(v on Jan 22, 2017 1:33:12 GMT
AltariaFairy asked a good question, was it 'Christian contemporary' or such?
Still, that's not always 'angsty' or focussed around drums. You might want to specify.
That's true, which was an in some ways nice feature. Strange how another thing that you can look out for across the sea is an abandoned ship. There are also mysterious runes left by someone or the other under-water, and a small island with one of the Regis unlocked. The water is a fairly mysterious area in R/S/E.
One of the problems with that is that 'realism' can be lacking, however. You go around in a likely unsafe manner, then go under-water and fight sharks, etc. Hence, you might not feel that much immersion around these regions. The Catch 'Em All thing is also a distraction here - if you pay attention to the area and what you encounter there, rather than just being completionist and turning up to gather things, then you can generally get a better sense of when a location seems threatening or atmospheric, etc.
There's a certain sense in which the 'villains' of R/S/E only have to exaggerate their aims in a slightly overly-theatrical or melodramatic manner because the player character waltzes through so many threatening situations without the game highlighting them. This can, however, distance the player from the game. Games like Red and Blue, where the villains showed up for particular episodes and attempted to infiltrate areas, are probably more effective in terms of immersion. This was useful in having areas like Lavender Town be creepy, in a way which has left quite a long legacy. While the Pokémon games featured many threatening situations, the more care-free they got about this, the more they had to compensate with melodramatic villain episodes to allow the villains to seem at all serious or threatening in that region.
Other than that, I mentioned the Trainer House and glitches around that in the Waiting Around thread.
However, there's something else slightly weird about that. This is kinda to do with another series, but it is still weird. If you use the Mystery Gift system, and then turn the clock back a bit, you can glitch the Trainer House in order to face a trainer named 'PKMN Trainer Thomas.i They are glitchy and might feature strange Pokémon. However, in the game Deadly Premonition, the clocks also tend to go backwards in the action sequences. This is a fairly major part of what marks these areas as distinct. Later on, you face a major character named Thomas while in front of a large clock. This is slightly eerie. In the Trainer House, you might occasionally fight a female trainer from in-game who is however represented using a male sprite and can also use different teams - Thomas' tendency to dress as a female might be a slightly humorous aside about such things, but that's more minor. In a game where clocks go backwards, you end up facing a 'Thomas' in front of a massive clock. This might be a slightly intentional recapitulation of the glitch from Pokémon.
Crabhammer made a decent point, I'll reply to that later.
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Post by FlyingMurkrow on Jan 22, 2017 4:02:01 GMT
LOL the sharks are a bit OTT.
The seas are kinda mysterious mayb that's whyy you should be careful. Maybe some kind of ghost thing resides in there after the ship? Like the island? And this has something to do with Kyogre? Kinda a weird place, but OMG wish it would stop throwing Wailmer at me before the interesting part!
Also weird is how you take a ship to a Fighting Gym and it looks like a repeat of Olivine! Then there's an Electric Gym where it's all Steel as Luminesce mentioned.
The thing about Deadly Premonition is interesting!! Would you recommend that game?
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Post by Meowth! on Jan 25, 2017 3:28:13 GMT
You guys are making great points!
About the music, yeah I havent found it yet. I don't think it was a Christian genre, too angsty and sad. No sparrrows either.
Any clues?
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Post by v)Luminesce(v on Jan 26, 2017 9:48:22 GMT
There's a few options if it's angsty songs about flying. If it were angsty songs about running, it would probably be Linkin Park.
One possibility is 'Livin' On a Prayer,' but you're probably already aware of that song.
No Man have 'Pigeon Drummer':
Vanessa Carlton could be an option, with 'Marching Line':
It might somewhat sound like that.
Three Days Grace have 'The High Road,' if that counts. It's probably not them.
There's Breaking Benjamin's 'Evil Angel' or 'Break My Fall.' 'Phase' from 'Saturate' also sounds very much along these lines, and has the chorus line, 'Out of the ground I rise to grace.' They're more identfed with albums like 'Phobia,' or 'We Are Not Alone,' though. Possibly also 'Close to Heaven' from their latest album.
Otherwise, the Mob do have a song named 'No Doves Fly Here,' but that's probably not what you meant. Gallows also have 'Come Friendly Bombs,' but again while angsty they might not be the kind of band you mean.
These are just a few vague suggestions around the area, if it's one of these kinds of bands that might be helpful to note. If it is one of them, then that would be better.
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Post by Meowth! on Jan 27, 2017 6:57:03 GMT
Yeah, it's Phase by the Breaking Benjamin band. LOL strange name for a band.
Here's a video for others:
It is creepy how much they hve in common with Lavender! Although this song is kinda unspecific. Do they hve similar songs?
Also listened to some more Noman tracks because I liked the album cover. Kinda like that band. Sort of like pop music if it was relaxing.
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Post by Madell on Jan 29, 2017 10:48:48 GMT
Good that you found the song Meowth!
Thanks for posting the video. It can have eerie similarities to the Lavender Town music LOL. There is a kinda dark part nearr the end, but I kinda like the tribal feel earlieer.
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Post by GoldPiplup on Jan 30, 2017 23:36:02 GMT
What creeps me out is te SS Anne thing where it never moves. You're givenn an invitation to it by your enemy, ddo you trust them? Also there's a missing girl who they never notice...
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Post by Meowth! on Feb 1, 2017 12:41:34 GMT
Good that you found the song Meowth! Thanks for posting the video. It can have eerie similarities to the Lavender Town music LOL. There is a kinda dark part nearr the end, but I kinda like the tribal feel earlieer. It is 'tribal,' but I guess it's also a bit simplisticc sounding like Lavender Town's. Also it starts out with 'the light is dead in your eyes,' which is a bit creepy after that. The ssinger says they're alive but then they say it's just a phase, like they're a ghost. Not sure exactly what they mean by the eyes, what kind of eyes are they if theyre so important? And how ddo they 'find' the things in there? Still it's frightening here! Also didn't someone mention like a suicidal forest place? Because they do kinda seem suiciddal or a ghost or something.
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Post by DarthSpearow on Feb 2, 2017 14:43:22 GMT
OMG they rise from the groundd? Who are they Jesus?
I remember that band but most of their songs were worsse.
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Post by RedGyarados on Feb 2, 2017 14:50:05 GMT
I think Luminesce mentioned Aokigahara on Mt. Fuji. That might be a place you'd ggo for that reason. Though its also rumoured to be haunted by demons that may convince people to try suicide.
Since we're mentioning Aokigahara, there is a charactter named Gaara in another anime someone might know. They use sand though, not trees. Kind of funny with 'out of the ground I rise to grace' though...
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Post by DarthSpearow on Feb 2, 2017 14:53:18 GMT
Maybe they comitt suicide because they're scared of the demons lol
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Post by v)Luminesce(v on Feb 2, 2017 16:26:36 GMT
Also it starts out with 'the light is dead in your eyes,' which is a bit creepy after that. The ssinger says they're alive but then they say it's just a phase, like they're a ghost. Not sure exactly what they mean by the eyes, what kind of eyes are they if theyre so important? And how ddo they 'find' the things in there? The point about what kind of eyes they are seems relevant to most songs, but this one might just escape. They mention that 'the light is dead' in the other person's eyes, hence when they refer to the shade of their eyes they might mean something like 'death.' You're right that the part about rising out of the ground is slightly ghost-like. It's true that 'the light is dead in your eyes' could be a striking line after the intro, which might be why they come back to it later and seem to at least assume that it was noticed. Yep, Aokigahara. As RedGyarados mentioned. You're probably referring to things like wondering about a place to 'make it go away.' In addition, the band do often refer to the devil or demons, as with 'Evil Angel': Put me to sleep, evil angel, Open your wings, evil angel, Fly over me, evil angel, Why can't I breathe, evil angel. Which seems to continue the imagery of 'Phase.' It seems to refer to someone who doesn't quite want to die, but nonetheless gives in to some form of dangerous suffocation due to the pseudo-demonic figure. The person spoken to in 'Phase' also has touches of the demonic. Other songs involving demons include 'Dance With the Devil,' but less directly. That said, the line about 'making it go away' has the humorous side-effect in context of sounding as if people are trying to make Breaking Benjamin lose their 'breath' or stop singing indefinitely. I'm sure that's how DarthSpearow would take the song. Anyway, also of interest is how closely Lavender Town's reputation resembles that of Mt. Fuji's 'Aokigahara.' While Lavender Town is often associated with mass suicides, Aokigahara is also a reported place where these occur en masse and directly. Both are rumoured to be haunted, on the side. Also, Lavender is near Celadon, which has a grass-based Gym. I think Luminesce mentioned Aokigahara on Mt. Fuji. That might be a place you'd ggo for that reason. Though its also rumoured to be haunted by demons that may convince people to try suicide. Since we're mentioning Aokigahara, there is a charactter named Gaara in another anime someone might know. They use sand though, not trees. Kind of funny with 'out of the ground I rise to grace' though... You always figure that 'Gaara' has a slightly humorous resemblance to 'Scar' from 'The Lion King.' They do fight a guy named 'rock' (not that one) (not Jack Black either), which is something like a stampede of sand that is eventually stopped. Anyway, I dislike that anime, but in this case we can probably discuss it. Not only does Gaara resemble Aokigahara, but they start off their battle by something like 'suicide' - they allow the other person to punch them until they seem to 'die' or break apart, but this was only sand after all and they return. Which is rather docetic. In addition, they do have some kind of relation to a 'demonic' figure. Which, I mean, should usually be a striking enough revelation in this context that this wouldn't be undermined really quickly, but it's really not the right anime for good or scary things. This is, after all, the anime with a troubling combination of pink-haired females and a focus on food. It can possibly be given a rest. Nonetheless, the Pokémon anime could do with such a character (other than the highly similar Mewtwo.) By letting their opponent witness a 'successful' punch breaking someone apart, they encourage a slight reluctance which is enough to attack them decisively. The Pokémon anime is since the first film mostly a bunch of squeamish people who try to make Pokémon fight but wish to prevent these from getting serious and remain close to the other humans involved, and hence such an approach could be dangerous. That said, the Pokémon anime is there alongside the games, if it were the whole series that could be highly unfortunate for it. Still, that character is interesting in some ways. While the others tend to 'fight' in some way, they mostly rely on sand. In that sense, they are in many ways not doing the same thing. They stress this somewhat with the 'suicidal' thing. Hence, they represent a foreign force which is trying to impede upon 'fighting.' They are somewhat like the 'Freemasons' of lore, part of a group that systematically considers obscure ways of intervening in things. They and the opponent do highly different things, and hence the primary metric is suffering. So their aggression at their opponent need not be a surprise. However, 'fighting' in 'Naruto' is slightly less systematised than normal martial arts, and could encompass almost any range of physical actions. Hence, Gaara is more akin to an intervention of sand and such against human action generally, or a paralytic disease. Fittingly, their name sounds in the context like 'gonorrhea.' The battle itself displays many traits which make the anime problematic - it is interrupted by series of flash-backs and plot points pretending to be 'abilities', and ends with the character feeling shocked that someone effectively hands them the victory. Surely that would if anything be a time of elation. Their opponent is supposed to be sympathetic, but does almost nothing to stand out by comparison. Still, again, that anime is somewhere where nothing too much more risqué than an average Middle School class can stick around for long. At least not without being assimilated somehow. Also notable is that Gaara's plot arch resembles a hyper-accelerated version of another character's, named Sasuke. An apt situation, in terms of their names. They are both slightly depressed and eventually their plot ends with their being 'cheered up' and no longer being malicious. Apologising, in brief. Which is slightly tiresome and means that they don't stand out as villainous or malicious to the point that they might have otherwise. 'Scar,' by comparison, is actually more resolute. This means that rather than a clear dynamic the series can only keep meandering between pseudo-conflicts. Of course, Sasuke's arc ends similarly to the scene where the lioness goes off to fetch Simba to fight Scar. Sadly, less people fall off ledges in that anime.
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Post by Meowth! on Feb 2, 2017 22:29:11 GMT
The point about what kind of eyes they are seems relevant to most songs, but this one might just escape. They mention that 'the light is dead' in the other person's eyes, hence when they refer to the shade of their eyes they might mean something like 'death.' You're right that the part about rising out of the ground is slightly ghost-like. It's true that 'the light is dead in your eyes' could be a striking line after the intro, which might be why they come back to it later and seem to at least assume that it was noticed. Good point! That kinda seems relevant. Any more to say about this song, Luminesce? That is kinda weird! It might be creepier than the rumors! So Lavender Town also involves demon-like things. Also Team Rocket kill Pokémon!! There's a dead one and you have to help it attain peace and a happy death?! I guess that if Lavender Town distorts the tone of the seriees maybe it also affects the hero? They were a heroic character on a stirring journey now Lavender Town wants to stop them. It might be scary after all of the energy wit Vermillion Cerulean and Pewter! Or Celadon as well! It sort of changes the journey a lot. That's an interesting point, they'd end up just causing pain to various actions! Kinda frightening character, for anime. Kinda cool since you're a fan of Sand-Attack I think?
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Post by DarthSpearow on Feb 4, 2017 11:42:32 GMT
Yeah Aokigahara can be a scary place. Theres lots of ghost stories about it.
Dead bodies revive, people are chased around. Stuff like thaat.
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